As a director Lee was nominated for a Directors Guild of Canada Ontario Award for Best Director for 'When Life Gives You Lemons' in 2011. The film won 14 other awards and nominations and was selected by 46 film festivals worldwide.
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Audio book The Pineville Heist: https://www.amazon.com/Pineville-Heist-Mr-Lee-Chambers/dp/0986494313/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
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Lee Chambers - The Art Of Film - Writing, Producing, Directing
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You have dreams, desires, plans even of becoming a filmmaker. Let's talk about that on this episode of the Mind Dog TV podcast. Welcome, my friends another episode of Dot TV podcast. Napa thanks for coming. It's great to have you here as always. I'm not sure. I. Liked that way of presenting the intro video as opposed to just planning off of Youtube kind of makes me wait till video is actually done playing not really loving that I like to pop in. I ain't. A. Great I guess Wednesday night. I was tracking today's here. I tell you this not enough caffeine in the world folks. There's just not enough caffeine in the world. Is He always so tight because I'm old that's why. You get old you'll get tired too but that's fine. I'm getting my energy up I've had enough caffeine for the moment of a big Cup of it right here. Tell me get to the show. apologize for yesterday, we had to guess no-shows yesterday both will have been rescheduled didn't totally ghost on me one was due to technical issues and the other one just time zone issues So we got it straightened out and so I got a day off yesterday but I'm still tired today. I bet. You weren't expecting to do a lot of back to school shopping or you would have done it by now if you're in America right now and you're getting ready to send your kids back to school at the rush. To get your school shopping that. But I got good news for you. We have a new sponsor dollar tree. Yes. Talladega, national brands sponsoring imagine that and believe me folks you better by a lot of dollar stop. Advertising for this. Kind of banged him over the head on this. But so so by a lot of stuff, but the deal is this, you're gonNA save a lot of money on school supplies the surprise time to go back to school. You're not just going to be scribbling on inbox and stuff at the. Dinner. Table YOU'RE GONNA be in school so you need notebooks, pencils, and all that kind of stuff. Well, she has great savings you know everything in the store is a dollar. Or less. So the link will be in the description. Make sure you use my my linked it's going to be in the description, save lots of money on your school supplies this year this offer and and dollar tree is monitoring us for a limited time. So get an now save money on your back to school shopping, and you'll thank me for this little break I got you. My guest today. is is perfect for the filmmakers and you know we have a lot of them in the audience whether they're actually professional filmmakers or film students. We have a a lot of people interested in the art of film today, and my guess today is perfect for that part of the audience. Lee. Chambers is an award-winning writer producer and director of many films over the last twenty years with executive support from Three Academy Award winners including Roger, Cormon, you know Roger Cormon. He guided over two thousand short films to completion as a college film professor. So he's perfect for our audience in in giving all sorts of advice stories, anecdotes, you name it along with filmmaking Lee Chambers is also a popular motivational speaker at panel moderator and Jura at a at film festivals in the USA Canada Australia England Iraq, get that and the Cayman Islands So please without further ado please open your ears, open your minds and help me welcome in the fabulously chambers way. Welcome to the mind TV podcasts. Thanks for kind of Hey I'm glad to be here. Thanks for having me. So. Here's the deal you know how this works. Well, I requested you to be on the program and you accepted, and then I sent you a calendar date and I said pick a date any date you want you pick tonight at eight PM. Two minutes after I got the email from you. That said, you pick tonight at eight pm I get an Ala an interview requests from Lee Chambers and. This guy. said the email back I just sent you a confirmation is what do you mean I just picked a date and I sent you a confirmation you got the wrong guy and it said Lee Chambers and psychologist life coach. So I think there's more than one chambers. So, then I sent them the booking count I said sure you can be on the show, send him the booking down there and he he says August. Twelve today. As I can't. Leach back.
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Two for the price of one. Why not? Right. So I did I ended up booking it. I said what the Hell you know it'll confuse me but what the Hell I'll see what I can do, and then so the last night he right before showtime he said I'm going to have to rescheduled because of an emergency came up and I'm thinking. Okay. So He's rescheduled to September fourth. So I was kind of expecting you write to me now it say I need to rescheduled to September fourth. I saw his stuff and you know there's funny. I have a I. I. Registered About Twenty Years Ago Lee Chambers Dot Com and I get inundated by other Chambers wanting to buy the domain name. There's there's elite chambers in L. A., who's DJ. And and every now, and then I tune in because it's great I get to hear myself on the radio every day and I don't have to any work for it. Well I it's a rockstar named to I. IT definitely has that kind of commerciality to to the name where it sounds like you know rockstar celebrity name. So you blessed with that but it could be a curse when too many people start taking the guy the guy was supposed to be here today he's from Australia so. Right away I was not use but. So filmmaking, you've done that you've come guided two thousand short films to completion. That's a life's work in itself beyond all the stuff you've written and directed and all that stuff in and working with college kids to see complete two thousand films that that's a massive undertaking that must consume quite a bit of your life. Aside from a head. Yeah it's it's a lot of work I. mean you know a lot of them are not good. Let's be honest there in training they're learning their craft when they're doing a lot of those you know some of them are jammed. Some of them are really really really good. So you know to me, it's about inspiring the next generation of filmmaker and you need to learn some of the tools and you need learn how to do things. In order to get to the point where you can actually make something. That's good. I mean let's be honest some of my early stuff pretty crappy. You know it's not that good right in so you have to go through a learning curve and and By mentoring a lot of people when I found is. If, you want to do something you WanNa make film. There's a lot of hungry film students out there who want to make something and they just WanNa, grow make it. But let's learn how to walk before we run and let's you know and then, and then eventually you need to learn some things I in. It. For example like if you went to the doctor said the DOT, can you operate on me? I got a brain tumor and he says. I'm really excited I love being a doctor. I'll go to medical school next year but I'm excited about it right now you'd think twice before you got on the operating table. Yeah, and so I wanted to start there. But I just when when when you mentioned a lot of them are not good I think it's important for people to hear that message. I would. I would venture to guess that the ones that you say are gems those people had had had worked on films before they got into school and and had some experience before they produce those gems but I think it's important for people to hear that your first films going to not be great and you I worked in a nappy that great and no matter. What you do because I think people put too much expectation on it at wanting you know expecting to be an academy. Award winner. Bat that's. Not. GonNa add. I had a student who one week into film school said WanNa talk to you about. A private little side project I'm working on. It's definitely getting it nominated for an academy award. Slow down slow down your only seven days into this. New you're expecting to get the trophy, right? It's not. It's not going to happen that fast, but there's A. There's a lot of media schools, a lot of film schools around the world, and there are tens of thousands twenty, thirty, thousand, and fifty thousand short films being made Euro, a ton of feature films and not all of them are are going to make it in winning academy. Award. Right. I was I did a podcast. Music thing and it was a Thomas Newman the composer Thomas. Newman. WHO's done a ton of work. He's been nominated sixteen times and never won. While Crazy it's a bunch of actors that have been nominated a lot of times and never won to, but and they say not being nominated as the honor in itself, but still you'd. Be Hit fifteen times. Had, stopped writing acceptance speeches I I guarantee that they two at the. PGA. Just let an old one. So. What came first we were writing with it acting before you know before you became a director producer what when did it start with you? Well. I was always a ham in front of the camera. So I was always the class clown goofball.
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I was always playing in front of the camera, but I, I found As I got older I was more interested in the in writing and directing software making things being behind the camera, and so I kinda pull myself from the front of the camera to the to the back directing was the thing that interests me the most in some of the early work that I did I actually worked with other people scripts. So I somebody would have spent all the time in crafting a really good script and then I would take it and make a film, and if you have a good script, you have a better chance of making a good film if you have. A crappy scripts making good films that much harder in slowly over time I started transitioning into I'm actually writing my own stuff collaborating or writing my own my own things I mean when you're a director nobody comes June says, Hey, you don't know what you're doing. Here's a million dollars to make a movie right you have to most directors have to find a way to to learn how to be good writers and understand the writing the writing crafts the you know the win covid nineteen hit in the world kind of just shut down I've actually had the the most amazing time because. You can't go anywhere I can't direct, but I can right I've done to feature scripts that for clients have been paid for them. Apple throw a couple of short films as well as a screenwriter. So I, really like the writing process a lot It can be a solitary kind of venture, but it's A. Crate, stories and characters to create that blueprint is is is a lot of fun. I can't wait to get behind the camera again. Obviously, but you know you need the screenplay before you can direct anyway. So I, I'll use this downtime to to right right. But on that note, you've gone from directing making movies to a writing screenplays. But now you're writing a book which then needs to be put into screenplay and and you're right you're. I'm talking about the some of random chance that was a book. When you write that book, Do you have to think well, this is eventually going to be a screenplay kind of writing the book. Play as writing. I actually I did it backwards is very interesting. I actually? did, random chance is. A. Screenplay I wrote the screenplay with with fellow co writer and then I novel is the the the screenplay. Into into a book without now, it's something that is in the public domain has the ability to for anybody to read it. Actually all started with the first film I made was called Pineville Heist. I. Had the Pineville Heist that was trying for years to find money to make it and I had an actor who was in the twilight. Series who is potentially going to be in the movie who asked me tell me about the town of Pineville end. So I wrote him a couple pages of backstory. Not In a screenplay, but it's just back story about the town and I thought this reads like a book. So actually I spent an eight month process of novel is the screenplay thought you know every couple of days I'll take a scene I'll flesh it out I'll add more color to it I'll I'll give more depth than road book that's on Amazon. Same with the summer random chance. So I did it backwards. The interesting thing was I was at the American film market prior to making the Pineville Heist and Rob Reiner was there and he was talking about spinal tap and all these big movies that he had done in all of these budding script writers are trying to thrust take you know, can you read my scripts? Can you read my script and Rob Reiner's like I can't touch it without a lawyer or you know what I mean? I'm worried about getting sued and also. Right. because. It's an unpublished documented. It's just a blueprint for the script. Well, I handed him a copy of the PINEVILLE has booked. In, because you can buy it on Amazon or Barnes and noble or wherever he took. Because he's not going to get sued for a book that's already out. So it was my way of actually getting my material out in a different format. So you spend all this time writing a screenplay but in. A really good story and characters. But what if you thought what about putting it in a different forms? Now big movies obviously big huge movie star wars, movies they will novel is the story and they'll have an Cillari. Products Right. There's the the big Mac with the door failure on the side of it in the. Their products they sell products in book version of the movie is out in very There's not very many independent, short, not independent feature film makers who have a book version of their movie I never heard that before ever. And you mentioned the Star Wars stuff they kind of sell out with serial like. Book Ten dollars off when you buy this box of cereal, you get coupons or whatever it is.
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so that that's an interesting story that was that your intent to use the book as a way to to handle people like Reiner in another big shots in in Hollywood filmmaking was that the intent of putting it in a book or that was just a byproduct of putting it was an accident. I. Mean the whole thing was an accident I you know I. It took me eight years from the time I started writing the screenplay to actually having done showing to an audience. So what do you do while you're in a holding pattern right? While you're in development hell while you're trying to find money and that could take years to get the money together and so I literally slowly did the process of doing the book in, put it out in it having this kid from twilight attached to it, which eventually he had to drop out because he was. We had another kid in It's sold forty, two thousand copies, and at one point I was on the homepage of Amazon and people were clicking the one hundred clicks and our it was insane. And so it did really did really well the the byproducts again again, all by accident was that the majority of people who supported the movie and funded it, and because it was self funded read the book not screenplay. So there were people who read the book and we're interested in the book because most people don't read screenplays, right actors, producers, directors, cinematographers, they read a screenplay because it's the blueprint for making a movie it doesn't have all the color that a novel has it it it leaves a lot open to the creative. Partners of the film to actually make the movie. The the blueprint is like an architectural drawing for as an architect rejoin for building right I mean nobody ever looks if you look at a finished building and go wow, it's beautiful glass and metal you just looked at the blueprint nobody goes sexy blueprint, right? Let's you've been to architecture school or something right so I knew rector might read the screenplay and say, wow, that the Beth work. Most people don't most people don't they don't. It's a, it's a it's a structured document specifically for the plan of Action for making a movie. It's not something that the average person reads guy. So I realized I novel is my screen place to the point where they are consumable by. The other ninety, nine percent of the population, and and that's what interests interested the people really, and now beyond the book, it's also available in audio books but not from our usual sponsor, which is why they not sponsoring US tonight But you can get. Audible. No. But your book your book is on audible an Amazon normal sponsors audio now dot com you not on there I did write to them yesterday and I said you know what his book you need to get on because I have to. Have you on the sponsored tonight because you don't have this book in your inventory. So hopefully, they'll acting. But you mentioned you're mentioning again now on this show so they're getting free advertising anyway. So It works out. Great sponsored by the way but I wish they had your book You mentioned the domes name that people are after you four and it's on the screen right now and for the people in the audio side. It's just Lee Chambers Dot Com all one word Nice in you can't you can't. You can't mess it up folks and that's why it's valuable domain people coming after him. So most of the people I talked to. who are interested in making their very first film have a very poor echo low expectation of what is truly going to cost and how much work is GonNa take in in. Exactly they underestimate everything I is is that your experience or when you go to film school I, guess if you go to go to college fulfillment With that kind of expectation. But most of the guys I talked to aren't exactly film school guys that people who said you know what anybody can make a film now I'm going out by NASA a a DSL or a four. K Camera I'M GONNA shoot my film I have an idea for it. I'm just GONNA run with it. I'm going to get actors to do it for a nickel and We're GONNA build my own sets if I have to shoot it mostly on location and like that up a unrealistic is that your experience with first time filmmakers or am I that's with me. Even, even when you come out of film school, you still dumb. It takes it takes a while it takes a while the technology is great. Now, right because you know, I go back to being trained traditionally on motion picture film, Stock Film Cameras, Kodak, a big cameras expensive. You know million dollar cameras in the and every time you turn on the camera I it's a it's costing money, and now they're dealing with data cards where you fill it up and then you dump it in your syllabus again, and it seems like it's cheap. The technologies made life so much better for filmmakers but filmmaking does not film technology does not make you a better filmmaker.
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enright is the tool, right? So you know if I. If, I have a final draft for writing a screenplay and you just have word. I've just got a better tool for writing screenplays but what's up here the the creative idea? That's you know that's the difference between between two people. So it's it's kind of a bad thing sometimes technology because it does you into thinking you're better than you are right right that because I can get a good image. The camera doesn't mean that the stories well-developed is good enough to actually be. Put together yet, and so you kind of the soest false sense of security that look how beautiful this shot is. But you know when you put it all together it's actually not that good of story and it doesn't actually actually work very well. I usually run until young filmmakers it's better relate to spend. The time learning the machinery of filmmaking so that means when you get a film school, the best thing I would suggest is go work on some films. That had. Milk multi-million dollar movie movies, and even if you're just a runner or P. A. A. B. Around get what it's like to work for fifteen hours a day for six days a week on weeks and weeks on end and get a sense of what everyone's doing and how it's organized. How how does the machinery of making a movie actually work learned that learning and move into different departments and try different things. And before you go and make your own feature film before you go and do it understand what that's like in the other England obviously is you know to to to to keep up with the technology. But also if you want to be a writer and director, you want to produce a or producer a movie read a lot of good scripts right a lot of lot of scripts read scripts, write scripts, and really immerse yourself if you wanna be a good writer, right want be good director direct you gotTa. Practice. Your. Your craft but I would say you know you gotta you gotTa take it in steps like I have students who who will say You know. How long can my short film be? Like. That's the stupidest question. Right. Because you know it needs to be as long as the story is an to make it as good as possible you. If you're thinking all, you're thinking about when you start is how long it is. That's just backwards thinking Aided the music business for years and years and years where a single had to be three minutes and ten seconds or less, and I know that was a major frustration in the music business but digital technology and the reason there was a reason for that three minutes and ten seconds, which is a vinyl single if you spread it out to the sound quality would. Get less and less trying to cram that much information into a forty five record but digital technology change that. So singles don't have to be three minutes and ten seconds any longer but I, I guess that's up, I'm wondering where that idea of how a short film needed fit into a a tight package or a limited amount of time where that even came from because. It. It's not a matter of it's gotTa fit into something but you know a festival programmer let's say the they've got a screening for the evening. They've got a screen to fell If you've got a twenty five minute film and I've got a twenty five minute film, they can only really put two films in the hour. If their five minute films, they can invite a bunch of filmmakers, right? Right. Not, only that what I find a lot of times with short films is A. There's usually only portions of it that are brilliant in Weld of it where they just quickly had to shoot in their dorm room and it looks like shit you know what I mean. It's so it's good stuff in it but bad stuff in if you make short and compact, make the best short firemen film you can. As. Opposed to being twenty minutes where five minutes of his brilliant but then fifteen minutes of this crappy, right Know. I'm watching a a film and it's five or ten minutes. If it's not really a good film I S, I've only got ten minutes ago. But if it's a feature film and ten minutes in and it's not very good. I'm GonNa shut it off right and I had bill fichtner on when we very early when we started doing podcasts podcast when he was talking about making a feature film and his whole philosophy is not not sacrificing you know make you film as good as it has to be in not cut corners anywhere because if you cut corners, you're going to have to live with that and. Not long after I had him on, I started having always guys who were doing feature films that they had some funding for the they weren't exactly first time filmmakers they had done it before and they were working on their i.
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Like, full length feature and they were talking to me every single one of them I ten in a row. I think we're talking about where they had to cut corners whether it was. You know we couldn't afford to have SAG actors or whatever it was. They were cutting corners somewhere and I just kept going back to bill that's not the way to do it. But, so and they'll come back to haunt you how long does it take for film guys usually to get that bet lesson and understand that you know you. You gotta be happy really happy with the end product. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA have to live with that for the rest of your life l. e. and it's not GonNa be a financial success. If you cut corners anyway, chances are pretty pretty good that you're not gonna you're not GonNa make your money back even if it's if he's cutting corners, so don't cut corners I wanted to take to get that message. It can take a while you know what I mean I. Think for some people see it can take a while. Abe The thing is the short films. There's no financial reward back there revenue generating. So You make a short film it's five minutes, ten minutes whatever if it sucks whatever doesn't get into festivals or does it doesn't really matter. But when it's a feature film in a lot of money is gone into it you it's it's hard to bury it. It's hard to say, Ooh, that turnout's GonNa put it on the shelf you can't do that 'cause there's an investor who says where's my money let's we'd better put it out even if it's not the best I, want my money back is is the consideration you know so you can't monetize shorts even in today's world with Netflix's and Hulu Amazon prime and all that stuff and you mean The only way well, you can video and Amazon do have models I. Mean I have a the last short I did call the Copenhagen is on Amazon Prime Right now, and you can if you if you got prime, you watch it for free but you have to pay for it if you wanted to buy it but it's only eight minutes not very I don't think a lot of people are gonNA pull up their wallet to pay. We're short on. It there is you know the ones the only ones I've seen on, say net flicks are if you're established if you're a guy who has been nominated for Kademi awards in your big name and you just did a short film in You, approach net flicks Netflix's might take it because of the celebrity status of the product. but just that you know there's twenty thirty thousand short films being ever made everywhere every year Netflix's doesn't doesn't really want to deal with with unless you're an Oscar nominated director and you you know Your Guy Ritchie or or Delhi Denny Villanova someone like that and then they might WanNa say oh yeah. We'll put your film onto net flex because you're established name and we can attach you to the algorithm of your other movies. It's tough. You're not gonNA, make a lot I mean for example, I went with a distributor for. For by Copenhagen road this year to see where where we're go and I did see some money of it but it doesn't pay me back what I put. Do it right to you encourage students people starting out in film to brand themselves and give the audience an idea of what it is. They do in a way that music does where okay. I can put this artists now. In a box and understand that every product they're gonNA put at and I know there are film directors to Coen brothers you they have a brand that you can identify the you encourage sat to be a conscious choice or you say go out and make the best film. You can make not worry about people putting labels on your knowing what to expect from you as a brand. I early in your career I, don't think you should try and Brandon Yourself. Experiment all over the place and try different things. I'll get fun example when I lived in England I. was trying to I made a show reel to do commercial as a commercial director. And I went in to see this agent and they looked at my show to my two to five minutes show real stuff and the first thing they said was I don't know where to put you and what do you mean and they said well you got I had stuff in it that was gritty and dirty and Kinda the streets of London kind of. Dark and mysterious, and then I had stuff that was beautiful photography on landscapes whatever and they're like they're like I want to know that you're chambers the guy who does kids toys or car commercials like I need I, want to actually it from a commercial I wanna put you into a box right and I'm thinking well, I don't know I thought that didn't make any sense to me because I don't WanNa be pigeonholed into. I'm do one thing. It's like actor and a Lotta Times actors. One of the reasons why they start production companies is tired of playing a certain kind of role because that's all they ever get put into. So they started production company to develop stuff to allow them to explore other sides of their personality and their their interest. So as a young filmmaker I I would say you know I I definitely in past movies.
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Copied others Styles I'm like the authors that seen in this movie and I'm GonNa Kinda copied the framing of it or copy the style of it and but you know. It's I don't even know if I have a style I mean as as a filmmaker I don't mind. I. Think I've done such a wide variety of things I've never been narrowed down a certain style did the hurt you commercially though because they know it will hurt music artists definitely commercially. If. They can't put you in a box It definitely hurts your wallet in in the end of the day at the end of the day because the consumer wants you in that box they wanna know that I this is what I can expect I want in my the Democrat chat room usually makes fun of me when I say a McDonald's hamburger, they wanNA know that it's GonNa be consistent every time like McDonald's hamburger you know what you're GonNa get. A does it hurt you commercially not that not to conform. You know what? Probably probably. I in the past, a lot of the short films that had done were more comedy based. and. Then the first feature I may was thriller. In a I remember when I was trying to find money to make Pineville Heist some of the distributors that we were talking to were. But you've never done thriller a, it's I can I know you can direct I can see you can talent well, but you've never handled the the the specific beats for how a thriller works and so they questioned that. So now that I I did it and it came out, it's out like thirty some countries. Now the next film I make, which might which is more of a drama someone will say, well, but you've never done dram like in no matter what I do. Find a reason to question whether I have the ability to do it or not. I mean I think if you've got a good story and a good team around you I think smart filmmaker has the ability to cross over. into different areas, I mean, Spielberg did that right a managed? Do A wide variety of? And different different different different things. So right when you bring a feel Burgers, the same argument I bring up with music musicians is that while the Beatles were Ba, they couldn't be put into a box and yeah. and. So Spielberg and the Beatles kind of on that same way. NASA. They have the why doesn't to get away with that but everybody? Tarantino I joke about turn Tina because I'm not actually not a really big Tarantino Fan I think he does some really good stuff at times but I think overall his movies are too long. They need to be trimmed back. He's got vignettes in there is almost like they're short films of content within his feature films. He just falls in love with it. He's self-indulgent with often and because he's Tarintino had the success, he's had they just let him do what he wants and there's nobody there to kind of hold them back. You know what I mean like there's no minutes. Moments in all his movies where it's almost like. For five minutes it goes off and there's Two characters have this funny moment together and any other filmmaker the studio would say you got to cut that out. It's new it's not moving the story forward. In Tarintino, he goes off and then comes back and then goes on and then comes back and. Traditional filmmaker the studio like let's narrow it right down to the you know. They would. They would. They would get in there and cut the hell out of it and they would cut those scenes out of it. Right I. I was always of that school in in making amateur films with friends where I would 'cause I read a lot of Sydney. Lemay always kind of stuff in the always said You know don't put anything in your movie that doesn't serve. The story if it doesn't completely save the story, it's wasted edited out and guys would always go. Well, we should. We should do for whatever reason they got this idea and they're much. Oh, here's a great shot. We she put in there and I you why shoot it I'm going to edit it out anyway that doesn't serve the story all but it's really cool and it would look great. Yeah. But but so I, think a lot of those guys who now look at Tarantino and his success they think that rule has gone out at the window now and I can make these self indulgent type of what I think. It looks really cool. So I'm putting it in and you boy the audience stood tears sometimes doing it but they don't care. You know break the rules I wanNA break the rules before I learned the rule type of thing and I, think that's no matter what art art formula and that's a bad attitude to have the agree yeah. You good. The other way around right learn the rules and then learn when you're breaking the white actually actually maybe supporting it in a way light on that note Influence. I think we're seeing it more and more in the modern world as things. Change Influence sometimes goes in the wrong direction.
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What I mean by that is when music videos came out, they were cheap gordy productions, and then filmmaker started saying you know what I WANNA put some film this video music video type feel to this movie and they were influenced movies. Now, starting to see kind of Youtube influence in youtubers influence on movies is that I am I wrong about that? I know probably not I. Mean I think that's a fair comment I mean the thing is with a feature film because usually there's there's a lot of money riding on it. Right so you're talking about you know a crew of fifty to one hundred. Spending fifty million, two, hundred, million dollars they they really. Are they come up with a plan of action and they go along this path knowing that how much money it is. But if you're a youtuber or somebody who's just some kidney backyard who's messing around and you've got your camera doing crazy stuff and you do things with it they can experiment like a music videos would experiment they would they would try things and it didn't matter was for three minutes video and didn't have to worry about continuity and all the other issues that a big movie with need, and they would try things one of the biggest examples I remember. The to me to my mind was schindler's list in Schindler's list. There's the scene where Liam Neeson's looking out he's up horseriding he looks down into the town macy's the little girl in the red dress. It's black and white movie, but it's the only color in the movie. It's this color this where he he wanted this little girl walking the opposite direction of the Nazis soldiers as rounding everybody up and it's an he identifies this little girl in the red dress and then later he sees the the readdress and she's been passed away she's been killed. and they were doing that a music videos they were they were they were doing a black and white with color. They were trying all these crazy things in. That's what was going on in music videos at the time is where they were messing around with with with different color effects in all sorts of stuff in Spielberg to me to my mind actually said, that's cool. Let's put it in the movie that I worked for what we're doing right, and again I think it's really important for wannabe directors out there from WanNa be foam makers to hear that this is Steven Spielberg. He he's not only earned the right to do that but knows how to effectively and not overdo it and just kind of ruined everything by doing it. In other words make sure you're a master before you start just trying to experiment on on your big feature film production. For. Sure Yeah. One of the other distinctions and and I, this is just weird to me that guys who had no experience ever working on a set WanNa start out as a director. and and don't really understand I. Think most people I again most of the people I've talked to are not don't school graduates the guys who were love films got some equipment and just decided I wanna be a filmmaker that's happening more and more now not a lot of people aren't going to film school. So they come out and I'm going to be a director not having any clue of. Really, how big the director's job is and how much they have to take on and how much you really have to know about every little thing from to right lens to put on the camera to the right lighting scheme and all that kind of stuff in the casting and everything they take it a- directing is just being an acting coach Can You? Can you talk to those people about how? Really full all encompassing the director's role really is on a film. You take you take a film that may have five actors in it, and the actors got a fulltime job. Right actors got his full time job of. Turning into that character, they've they've got to know that character inside and out to presented onscreen. Well there's that's one actor. It's got a fulltime job with director has the job of knowing all five actors. Into be able to answer their questions to support them and to be there to to be the mentor in the guide for what they need. Plus the crew. Is, know being a director you've got ten thousand decisions and our you have everybody is looking to you saying, what do we do? Where does the camera go? What lends what whatever what do you want? How do you want me to play this? You know how? How am I doing this and everybody is looking to the director for that guidance. And and if you are hesitant or don't have an answer or you're not sure you, it takes an extra minute to figure out what you want. You've wasted your time is money on a film set right? I mean the days are twelve hours, thirteen hours long or so and if every every time somebody asks you a question you have to stop and process it for thirty seconds.
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You're going to waste hours of the day thinking and you really have to have the answer like that. Wins. The we want I wanted to. Go I mean you just want to be able to have the answer to hand because you have to I almost when I when I direct. I have already dreamt about it like you wouldn't believe like I tried to I've tried to consider every possible issue or problem that could go wrong. An anticipate it because things will always go wrong. I mean, right. But. If you're not. Prepared. If you're not prepared for a filming day. And things always go wrong. It's your seventy time seventy percent of the time things might go right. But you're going to get screwed for the thirty percent of the time. But if you can anticipate problems, you might only have five percent of the day that goes wrong in. So you can deal with you know there's a better a better chance of being successful. If you're prepared me directors need to be prepared right right and I guess you probably have to be a bit of a psychologist when it comes to dealing with Backers I. Guess because because you have to not only be able to communicate what you're looking for it from them but you have to dance around Egos and personalities and all I of stuff too. So that part of becomes into it too. So being a young person with not a lot of people skilled in just a big ego is not gonNa really serve that director it's all very well at all is it Oh. No, you know. For example, if you're if you're a cinematographer Good cinematographer will read American cinematographer magazine and they're they'll. They'll learn they know how to use the camera and it's like what button depressed what to do we'll give a certain look whatever and in a lot of things are known factors right I press this. This is my exposure do this. This is my focus right there's a there's a known quality to to their to their work still creative but it still unknown quality but you know I take put five actors into a set and they're not machines their organic beings with thoughts and worries and fears and insecurities, and and what one actor needs is another actor dozen it almost takes a couple of days to get a sense of. This actor needs more encouraging encouragement than the other one. This one needs to be pulled back this actor need. You know what I mean. It takes a while some dress to go through the human dynamics, the psychology at. First I thought you said your psychopath but I mean, but but I do. Like to be a director I, don't know. You. It's a tough. It's a tough game because you really have to be a people manager. Of Not just primarily your role as the actors, right? It's it's getting the best performance. That's the top priority. You want your actors to give the best performance onscreen as possible to tell the story but you then have the entire crew around you that need guidance and support, and you want them to trust and believe in you and you know You know aware I how you're making if if it's almost like a if an actor or crew member smells that you don't know what you're doing like they gonNA make it. Yes absolutely. Uh. They will run all over you actually the. one of the best stories I have was I met Peter. Fairly. Who did, Green Book which won the Academy Award a couple of years ago and he he's the director and writer behind Shallow Hal and there's something about Mary. So big movie. Why. Am I met him at a book signing and he was talking about when they first did dumb and dumber him. Appear in bobby fairly were doing dumb and dumber and he He they were tired of selling scripts that weren't getting made in they just happen get made, and so they were I think it's Fox and they were in a meeting in their recycling. They're like, who are we going to get to direct this movie and Peter and Bobby Farrelly said we want we're going to direct it and they went okay. You guys get to directed and they were two weeks before being. Two weeks before they never directed. Anything didn't not GONNA short film and two weeks before shooting. There's something about Mary. The or die think dumb and dumber they They were at a party in a director a well known director came up to them and said, what are you doing this? We're directing a movie in the director said, just make sure you get good coverage. And Peter Farrelly, Said said, what's coverage and? Recovered problem I mean. They didn't know what they didn't know that they'd never been directors. They were writers they understood the story in the characters but he said you know my suggestion is on the first day of shooting sit down with all of your actors, all your crew and just say look we are not directors or writers.
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We know the story we know the characters we know what we want please. Work with us to make a better movie, we don't understand everything work with us. You don't fake it just admit it. You're ads, right? Well that it was. It was dumb and. Dumber dumb dumber there they were just as dumb as everyone else because they've never done a movie before. That will go a long way in establishing some trust. It might also scare people at all whether I get into you know especially when when you're working with name actors and they might have egos to begin with and they were too in that movie. Brave pretty big guy. I would think he goes I. Don't know them obviously but so that that's an interesting thing and I think it's important for people to hear that because so many people want to be directed as you know, work work in the film industry for a while before you even think about being direct ass at least be a grip for a day. To. On Film School and I, know you have a dog in the fight because you teach film schools L. A. I'm asking a question of a guy who has the you know set some something the game from the answer here or something. To avoid any answer well, but I have when I was in the fashion and beauty industry for a while I was. Editing a lot of films and stuff for myself, and we got some kid who? Fresh out of films, go four year degree out of a film school. A very reputable film school came in and didn't have a clue how to really make a film and I had to really kind of walk him through the process. He was a decent photographer but. No idea had the The nuances of fashion and film and and. Fashion and beauty film doing that kind of stuff which is different than telling a story through a script. It's more of telling a story through imagery and really no, no script to go by you gotTa tell a story just with your images. So yeah know clarinet four years in school and then I, we started hiring more of those guys to work on the crew and I it came to my realization that always people wasting like hundreds of thousands of dollars to film school coming. Out, and not really qualified to work in any commercial film production yet at all they really should be intense but because before year degree they're looking for a job and it just so what the idea film school is it absolutely necessary from or maybe should start at the teenager making films on your own and get some experience that way and in carrying on on production and do what in what's the best past isn't necessarily film go a long way to ask that question. I fell asleep. And you know where there is no one true. Pat because when I I did school in England and. I remember I walked into the film school and leads leads metropolitan. University. Which is now leads back in in Yorkshire in England and I talked to some of the students there at the time and I decide is it worth going like? Is this school worth going to and they said? You can take you could take the money you'd spend on film school and go make fell but what you miss out on is the camaraderie and the the collective learning and in fact what you end up learning Is Not just as much from the teachers of the curriculum. It's it's. The Group Dynamics in the group team sport filmmaking is not You know I could have been a painter I could've sued alone in my studio with just an easel and paints in it would have been very cheap for me to practice my craft. I picked a career in filmmaking where it's a mixture of art and business and every time I wanNA make a movie. It costs thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars, right? It's it's it's a, it's a difficult craft. So I I ended up doing film school because I made lifelong friends from it in writing that I. I can collaborate with. There's that part of it. But nowadays, you know when I did film school, there was no youtube and all those things I mean. Now you can go online and learn about all sorts of different things on online or Lincoln learning or different things. There's there's lots of different ways to learn things. But what you don't WanNa miss out on is the the social and I don't mean social media but the social aspects of being together collectively making a film, it's hard to do that. Just watching youtube videos, right so you can look you can learn a lot on youtube, but then you go out and your with crew and you act like an asshole because you have no social skills with other people right and.
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I it really. Robbie risks who was a child actor known to the? Brady bunch while I kind of. Just about every Sitcom in the seventies and all that stuff and was movies in the Eighties Ninja turtles in shocking and stuff like that. He he gave a similar answer to that but he also edited the networking factor of you know when no matter what what school you go to you end up being friends with those people who are had a common goal for the rest. Of Your Life and work with those people. So on that note, when you're making films, you kind of tend to stick with the same sound design, the same lighting designer people that you've worked with before at of not just comfort but but knowing they're gonNA be easy to get your message in your vision and explain it to them the DA locked into the same people to work with. I think because right now, a lot of times films might I might not direct one for two years or whatever. There's a time span and the films I've made have spanned the globe. So you know making movies in England or Australia or or the states or Canada. The the it's interesting to one constant for the last say ten twelve years has been the composer interestingly. After. Back Way you get you music room. Yeah. So the composer, the composer is one where where it was interesting is I've never met the composer I've ever worked with I like the composer that I worked I've worked with on three films or films now. is a an Italian composer who now lives in London and we've never met everything is email and sending files back and forth. That's that's bizarre man and it's like the longest collaboration really are one of them. One of the longest have you had a phone call with the more no, he doesn't speak English speaking only Italian or. I don't think we've had a phone call, but the he did a short film where he actually did the comment, he had a commentary composer commentary, but I told them to do it in Italian. So he does doesn't I I've never heard him speak English be very odd if you end up winning a major award and at the award ceremony, you're meeting the guy who composed of music via film for the time on the night of the awards ceremony. Very very so of the things they mentioned in. In Your intro is that you're judging films but the one that stuck out at me was Iraq that Iraq has film festivals all make to me when I think of Iraq, I still think of a war zone just like a, you know a ban placed nobody wants to be I can't imagine film festivals and things over there. So tell me a little bit about that experience. What interesting was. So I was a juror and was going to do a workshop over there and they were flying me over to a northern Iraq. which is in the Kurdish area of northern Iraq and I remember when I got invited I remember my telling my parents about it. My parents said like hell you're going to arrive. Instinct. Is that you're GONNA die immediately and I talked to the festival. I talked to the festival and they said never won the the media that you are fed in north. America. Is that it is all horrific and everything over there is shitty it. It is the worst place on earth in northern Iraq, which was semi autonomous from the rest of Iraq Literally, they had no instances of any terrorist attack or anything they. Go online in the gut roller coasters. Everybody's you know it's really nice. It's just different and and the comparison I gave my parents was that you know imagine if you said to somebody. You don't WanNa. Go to you don't want to go to Washington. State. Because you don't want your worried about the waves in Florida, the water coming up in it's. It's like they just had a hurricane in Florida you don't. WanNa go to Washington state. It's like it's Far Away Right I. Yeah. So that was Harrison was what's going on with what hear the media only ever tells you the bad stuff. The interesting thing with that story was there was another judge from from Nashville un-american who who was going over as well and we had done we had done all the work is jury members zoom in different things like that and skype. So we had already done a lot of the work, but then I was going over to presenting award and to be part of the the jury into workshop he flew out the day before made from Nashville and I flew out. In was basically going to.
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Via Istanbul in Turkey anyway when I got to Toronto I was already on route and then I got the Toronto to fly out of Toronto there was. An argument between northern and southern Iraq and they decided to close punish them by closing their borders. So they wouldn't. I'd actually didn't there was on route and then they didn't let me take the plane because at midnight. They were going to close the borders. Wow. The guy the guy from Nashville was already there. He landed just just after they close the before they close the borders and They had to find another way for to get home because they closed all the international flights. Crap it's. You know you talk about the way divisions you get here in North America that part of the world I was working with a bunch of guys who were from Israel turned out they will musicians and I was like man I can't imagine being a musician over there where bombs of falling Aladdin time you know coming across the border in whatever missiles could blend on your apartment but and so t appoint eighth might think well, that's just your. Your perspective over here what you see on the news but no, they said it was. Very real and they were putting studios in bomb shelters like they would have banned rehearsal in bomb shelters a building there's a man that's just a crazy way to live but life goes on I suppose and I can culture needs to go on as well. So are the films over there. The same kind of films that we see over here or more like and I don't I don't want to sound like a racist dip shit by itself and are they like more like Bollywood type boy through a whole different look to the films are. You know what was interesting? It was a good experience even though I didn't I was hoping it would to get there but I didn't get there. But there was a judge from there was an American judge. Nashville. There's a a judge from Japan there was another judge from Iraq and someone from. Norway, I think I. Think it was that the I watched I think it was like twenty four foreign films, a feature films in a month and What was interesting I saw I saw some really interesting films from Iran from from Japan. In what was? They were almost all of them were interesting because even though they're from different cultures than they were in different languages. People around the world still. Eat Shit Fuck. People are in relationships people get divorced people have life goes on even though it's a different culture people still struggle with the same things and said that it was you know there was this film I think it was from Sweden. In when we started talking and debating what was the best film even though these films from from all of the it was almost unanimous. All of US gravitated towards this Swedish film. That just told this most beautiful story that resonated with. All these judges from different cultures who went this is just this. This actually could play in America this This an American audience can understand the these characters in this story even though they're from. Sweden and the Japanese judges like I. That's I. Get that you know what I mean that that's that's that works for me too so. If Americans I think a lot of times or even Canadians we are inundated with Hollywood product and we don't see a foreign movies at all we think. We just don't consume them the the cinemas don't give them the platform. In so we the average person doesn't get the same worldview of different cultures and the content of of movies. it was interesting being being a judge and just I just we roses blown away that we all wanted that one movie everyone. It's the movie, right? Right. So you mentioned the Hollywood thing and I wanted to bring that up to you a little bit Hollywood as a institution and and putting out the commercial crap for the most part that it does is data is are they is it quality that's coming out of Hollywood or is it just or is just package nonsense or they're still good film made I'm not culturally hip enough to to know when good films because so much garbage came out for a while that I just I I couldn't pay attention anymore it was like a inundated with Pall Mall Koppen nonsense like that and I stopped paying attention to any of it at the state of film in Hollywood you know say the film today in your view is it is quality or just goal garbage in my like minded you.
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Well, for Hollywood it is about making money and so if if it'll make money, they'll make it. Even. If it's Shit they'll try to they try to appeal to the lowest common denominator where it's GonNa play wide as far as possible I mean by my interestingly might the films that I actually really like our three billboards ebbing Missouri, which is a good character based story and it's just you know it's it's driven. It's amazing or the movie lion about little boy from India who gets adopted in Australia and tries to find his way a finci finds is a is a his birth mother which are. Human stories but look at the one that I like to rail against is. is a the fast and furious Right how many of them winning make nine? Nine or ten whenever. The first movie which still had some CG and whatnot and it was it was more of a character movie and they're worth. There was a lot of physical effects in what the cars. Were generally what a car could do right in car crash in it flipped over in a crash and then it doesn't work anymore. You know what? I mean. Now they're flying from sky rise building to another Skyros in a tank in a submarine, and it's like eight movie is a how more ridiculous can get. And I'm lost interest, right it was the same with the like I haven't seen the last like two or three or four avenger movies because it just you're just throwing special effects in explosions at me and I just I just I'm just like I'm I'm getting it just visual assault. Of right off and you know. Why why does a like Why? Why does something like the the fast furious? Why does it still why are they making them? Why? Because it makes it? Each movie makes a billion dollars, right? So they will. Spend two, hundred million to make they're making a billion dollars in the end and they're going to keep making them as long as the audience keeps going in. So. Bad that food that's it. Sixty, nine, thousand dollars question whatever the number really is I it was sixty, sixty, nine, whatever it is. Why Audiences that why it's a culture going more towards garbage and less towards quality film and Are you optimistic for the state of film going towards taking a lean back towards quality filmmaking rather than just the. Nonsense that the consumer seem to want that garbage now. Well, they make them on the global level, right so a movie like the fast and furious You know movies actually make a big movies aiming big Hollywood movies make seventy to eighty percent of their money worldwide right so A movie that comes out of North America and maybe north. American audiences are like I'm kind of done with the fast and the furious right. Now, you know what I mean like I didn't go to the last two. In the SPINOFF why didn't bother they didn't get my money and so the money is actually in north. America's dropped off a little bit. They're not making as much but they go to Asia in the the the Chinese. Are Eaten up like crazy and they're going and spending a ton of money and so they one of the things if you notice with the the fast and furious series that they did from a marketing point of view is, let's make sure the cast is multiracial. Let's make sure we can sell the Asian Star in that movie the Black Star plus. The Hispanic whatever Let's let's make it as global. An international as possible and I'm sure if you went to ensure if you went to Japan. They wouldn't use vin diesel as the selling point for the movie. Day The Asian Star in the movie that would be the center point right this. That's what they would do. They would they would sell it from that angle and that's you know I it's it's it's it becomes less about making a quality movie as it does about manufacturing a product to sell. So. So basically if you. As a consumer, if you see a good movie, look for stuff that made outside of the Hollywood machine then. A lot times, but I mean you like a Hollywood Warner brothers has their indie arm bloom house. There's a couple of theirs they. They're they're they're smaller budget movies they're spending less money on it, but they're making interesting movies like I mentioned three billboards ebbing Missouri. I think that euros like one of my favorite movies member being just just loving that the characters in the way simple was a simple story but very complex characters kind of navigating the plotline. In that to me was more interesting than watching.
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transformers, right well over time here. But if I can keep you just a couple more minutes, I'd like to ask you a couple more questions here first of all. This comes up a lot in in my discussions the the old your top five films can you name your top five films of all time? Type those yeah. I'm a big blade runner fan. So Love Blade runner I think it still holds up today as a as an amazing piece of cinema that was pre CG fat computer effects a lot of in camera stuff. I love the Ocean's eleven the I think it's just An an ensemble cast is just amazing together. It's one of those movies whenever it's on if I turn on the TV, it's on I'll sit down and won't move until it's done like I just sit there and watch it over and over again. I mentioned You that there's a movie that movie lion, which was the movie but the Little Kid who? got. lost. In in and then adopted by the Australian Family I. cried like a baby and cinema when I watched it like an hour of of that movie was just the emotions and then it was on tv a little while ago and I remember watching it and trying again why am I crying? I've already already know the out. Right right. That happens. Happens it was that was that was powerfully. I like a again, the character character movies like seven. with Denzel Washington. Training Day with Denzel unlike. Anything Denzel Washington Denzil. He's he's an amazing actor with such a wide range I mean play a good guy, play a bad guy and equally convincing and and conflicting guidelines. Pelham taking fell through three where he that conflicted Kinda Guy Yeah he's. He's what what range man I think he's you know in my top three actor. So top-five actors of all Steph Curry Fisher that's an interesting perspective. So your movie the the some random chance when is at when that out is it out now because the test announced on On the announced. Though it's it's actually It's been optioned by producer candidate so it's looking to shoot in two thousand, twenty one so. When we hopefully you're from, now will be the camera but the one that's out right now is the Pineville heist and that's available. Around the world opened like thirty countries, but you can watch it on Amazon prime and onto as well. You get ripped off on Amazon prime though don't you as the director filmmaker it's not always a great deal for you because I know I'm on there with my music and it's not a great Dan. My podcast is going to be on their starting next week but. you kind of not the best idea for somebody who's looking to make money in into business right? I can't say that. I think in. From a feature standpoint in in early I'm trying to get to making the second feature as director. It's at least it's even if it's not about making money, it's about eyeballs on your product, right? So right you know making your movies one thing getting it out there where audience can access it is the other thing is it's it's out on Amazon, not just in north, America but in other countries as well and so the ability for people to see my work is huge right the the ability that's important. That's important because I think people have to have. A Realistic Way to identify how they're going to measure success. So we don't have any idea of what success means to you. Then you know you're gonNA always feel like a failure if you solely gaining an on by one, it makes at the box office or what your return dollar is from whatever digital distribution you do. So it's a good idea to have a clear. And meaningful also definition of how you measure success. You think that's important important thing for Peter Instead Tandis. So. So I really appreciate your time me. I'm GONNA, put the links to book in and the Audio Bucking the and your website. Now at stuff will be in the description for people to Click on. If there was one sentence, you could give to aspiring filmmakers to really kind of give a heartfelt message to what this conversation was all about something that could really impact their lives. Got You got one sentence you can give them or two sentences that you can give them. That would really put a good perspective on where they go from here. I would say if you want to be a success in this business, surround yourself with people who are smarter than you.
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ME. This isn't about everybody. then. You're then you're going to be great. No I can't help but be around this seven billion people smarter than me. So I mean I can shape that. Only I really thank you for your time and insight here, and I hope we've made a difference in some some aspiring filmmakers allies that I. Wish you great success and come back anytime you want because I could talk to you for like two hours on this stuff three hours this stuff easily. So if you ever want to come back, you've got. Thanks. Thank you. You'll get other emails from chambers too so That's going to be a confusing one now who? Are I already asked you about being a psychologist. Now, I'm going to have to ask him if he needs to be a filmmaker Thanks have a great night. This episode is brought to you by put me in the story. ME. In the story creates personalized books for kid by taking bestselling children's picture books and well up characters in allowing you to create personalized books that make your child star of the story alongside their favorite characters. Save twenty five percent store wide when you click the link on mine dog TV Dot Com and use the code save twenty five. We're also sponsored by the lovely lovely Asia Online Stopfel, modern irresistible, and affordable women's clothing. Never. Before has dressing yourself been so easy. Lovely is carefully curated selection of barrel accessories and outerwear always on Chandon available at the web best prices. Lovely is dedicated to delivering high quality clothing to women that will make them look and feel their best. They believe every woman has the right to dress well and shouldn't have to spend a lot to love how she looks. Make it easy to wear outfits. You love every day giving you the confidence to take on the world. LOVELY DOT COM. Some fashion trends are now forty percent off dotting at just five, ninety nine. Get an extra eighteen percent off when you click the link on my dog TB DOT com and use the code JFK T. Eighteen. We're also sponsored by Vapor DNA founded in two thousand thirteen vapor. DNA. Is the Premier Online vape store offering an industry leading selection of electronic cigarettes, illiquid and accessory? Friendly and knowledgeable customer service team is always ready to provide the best customer service experience to ensure you find what you're looking for. They guarantee their products to be one hundred percent genuine and at the lowest possible price. They're so confident in this election and customer service they offer their customers eight forty, five day refund. Save twenty percent when you click a link on mine dog PB DOT com and use the code. Orion Q. Came as folks I hope you got something out of that You know it's always good to get fresh perspectives from different guys who will done it. He's not only it. His taught it for for a very long time. So you know that's a whole new perspective because I don't think any of the celebrities we've had on here or Hollywood people at. We've been fortunate enough to talk to I. Don't think any of them have actually spent time in film school actually teaching the stuff they would just imparting advice from their careers, which is a whole different thing could even though some of them had similar perspective, they haven't really been teachers in it is. Hoping to this program, I hope you'll come back to your friends about it. GO TO MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL SUBSCRIBE GO TO MIND DOG TV DOT COM get on my mailing list questions or comments please info at mind dog TV DOT COM until tomorrow when. This is GonNa be a tough one for me to pronounce at one PM I have Michelle was czar an hang and I hope I'm pronouncing that right and we're gonNA talk about. Mental Health, which is. You know for me, it seems to be following me around this idea. Of Mental Health I wonder if the University of silence and stuff. Anyway that'd be one pm tomorrow. Help you me and Appleby my. PODCASTS, thanks, banks, suspenders, connect with me and my for them. To. Settle. Stay.
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